Friday, January 26, 2007

"War is deceit"

Dhivehistan Report will not be responding to Vain Rooney's statement and question regarding slavery and Islam. We are very disturbed and concerned to find that some kind of a war has been declared.

We thought we were engaged in an honest intellectual debate because Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia's highest religious body, a member of the Council of Religious Edicts and Research, the Imam of Prince Mitaeb Mosque in Riyadh and a professor at Imam Mohamed Bin Saud Islamic University, Saudi Arabia's main center of learning declared in his book "Al-Tawheed – Monotheism" that 'Slavery is a part of Islam'. Muslims who contend Islam is against slavery "are ignorant, not scholars." "They are merely writers," he said. "Whoever says such things is an infidel".
Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzans writings have been translated into Dhivehi and are circulating in the Maldives. If Rooney wishes to question the claim of Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan, we advise him to contact the Sheik.

"War is deceit" according to Mohammed, Prophet of Allah. We do not want to engage in neither war nor taqiyya.
Instead, Dhivehistan Report will join our brothers and sisters and endeavor to emulate the way of Jesus of Nazareth, Prince of Peace and turn the other cheek.


The report about Sheik Saleh Al-Fawzan's claim that slavery is part of Islam has resulted in a spate of comments, some interesting and others in decidedly bad taste. We urge our readers to refrain from making comments that are irrelevant to the post and topic.
To end this posting I bring you some words of wisdom from Siddhārtha Gautama , the Buddha. Although very little remains today, for about 1500 years(which is still longer than Maldivians have prostrated towards Mecca), statues of the Enlightened One dotted the Maldive islands and the people of Maldives, our ancestors, took refuge in the wisdom this sage of the Sakyas.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."- Gautama Buddha

57 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:41 AM

    That is funny! the site says in bold red letters "Wars, might be a bit stronger word, but I’m sure you’ve got the idea."

    Learn more about this Al-Fawzan: http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=428&Itemid=74
    You will get the picture, he is a hungry politician...

    Similar to the advice of gautama buddha Do not believe unless you are sure!

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  2. Anonymous6:25 AM

    Adam,
    I like this posting and your approach to this "blog war".

    Shunan,
    read. "some kind of a war"...

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  3. adam moses,

    perhaps u 'refresh' that pea-sized brain of yours?

    Dhivehistan blog was created to "engaged in an honest intellectual debate" with your ArabiGutar blog.

    n no, this blog's not your. it belongs to Ismail Rasheed. ur a just a lil sidekick of his ;-)

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  4. ismail rasheed,

    i'm sorry to say that ur friend Adam Moses cud not come up with answers for my questions...

    perhaps u shud try?

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  5. ahem ahem ahem..IRG joinin me..a christian joinin me ..hmmm lemme think..no way...i dnt believe in wot tht no good harun yahya wud call an "inter-faith dialogue"..no and big NO to that..
    u say u are emulating Jesus..hell no not the least..u are emulating the satan himself..pity u..
    takin the words of shaikh fawzan out of context..well u and those fareed type extremist guys are much alike..i shud say..for they also take the words of shaikh fawzan out of context..
    and u mr. yusuf shunan..well i wud like to say tht how a bad approach u have taken as ur guide in fightin these sick irg people..u have given a link to an extremist khariji site which has got nothin but lies against the scholar shaikh fawzan...pity u..

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  6. Kokadi12:48 PM

    I hope that the Way of the Enlightened One Siddhārtha Gautama Budhdhi-aa is restored to these shores and will last another 1500 years and much much more! I pray to Almighty God that the ancient hopes and dreams of our beloved King Hassan IX are realised fully. The Prince of Peace shall prevail over these atolls!

    "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)

    وَتَعْرِفُونَ الْحَقَّ، وَالْحَقُّ يُحَرِّرُكُمْ

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  7. Anonymous1:06 PM

    I am finding it hard to get the exact quote with the meaning as mentioned in your article. Perhaps you can help me here... Here is a link to the mentioned text (an English translation)

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  8. Anonymous1:23 PM

    thesinningslave: I know when I am wrong. In the scarcity of time I have (as usual) Googled for an answer, so I guess I was wrong about Al-Fawzan. I have gone through the text twice and did not notice anything that the blog claims. Will do it again when I have time. In fact I found the text enlightening. Just read the text and be your own judge...

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  9. Anonymous1:41 AM

    Really children I thought we were all above silly little fights like this. Slavery wasn't instituted by a religion. We are all capable of slavery no matter how much we'd like to believe that we aren't and our history is proof of this (our in reference to humanity). We should be celebrating the fact that we've been able to put legalized slavery behind us. Shouldn't we all band together and refuse to let people who would like to reincarnate the legalized practice of slavery be heard instead of making a cause celebre out of it?

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  10. Anonymous1:50 AM

    guess who is back.... i joined ur the gang .. IRG ur suival is impossible, hehe ,

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  11. Anonymous2:56 PM

    welcome back man ;-)

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  12. Anonymous3:01 PM

    hamza,
    if somebody write in a blog that ur a serial-rapist, what will u do?
    sit behind and watch just cos raping is not allowed in law?
    or just sit back cos u dont wanna defend urself cos ppl will call u childish?

    u c, these ppl started saying islam allows n encourages slavery. unlike u we will not sit behind n watch like cowards. and we have proved that they were wrong. so unlike u, we have guts :-)

    only ppl like u who dont have guts say we're "children". come to think of it, ya. we're very young. but we're still putting off a good fight against 35 year olds on the payroll of Pope himself.

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  13. Anonymous3:18 PM

    Vain, if someone was stupid enough to call me a serial rapist or even a child molester on my blog I might respond to it or I might not. As you've so kindly pointed out we're two very different people (distinguished by our innards or lack of the same).

    Anyhoo, I didn't know you were enjoying this little debate but I do now so by all means don't let me stand in your way. All I was trying to say is that religious bigotry in one form only breeds religious bigotry in another. All I see is two intolerant religious bigots fighting one another with no hope of ever reaching a compromise.

    And by the way, you just called me a coward and you don't have the slightest idea who I am and how far I would go for my ideals. Just in case you're mistaken I'm not a Muslim but I believe in tolerance and I think this website and its content (and sadly your website as well) is counterproductive to my cause and I am doing everything in my gutless power to defend my convictions.

    I don't know how young you actually are but I'm not exactly ancient either. If you were defending Islam from a position of moral superiority (where you've never resorted to twisting facts and calling names at other religions) I wouldn't ever have said anything. The same goes for the people of this blog.

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  14. Most comments I have seen so far from u were against me n my blog.

    "Just in case you're mistaken I'm not a Muslim"

    That explains a lot.

    I'll keep that in my mind next time I respond to a comment by u.

    Sorry if the word 'coward' hurt ur feelings. I thought u were a muslim (cos of ur name).

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  15. Anonymous9:33 PM

    "you don't have the slightest idea who I am and how far I would go for my ideals".... that doesnt sound "tolerant" to me ;-)

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  16. i forgot to add one thing.

    Hamza, its not u I've got a problem with. I only have a problem with this blog. Keep that in mind.

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  17. Welcome Hamzah,
    We are not saying that other religions are free of flaws. It is just that the problems arising from some types of Islam is more relevant to our "100% muslim country". And I think we are guilty of ridicule rather than bigotry.
    The "radical" Islam that inspires the terrorist attack and mistreatment of women is derived from the theological arguments used by Islamic teachers. The statements of these "radical" Muslims are filled with quotes from the Koran, the Hadith and Sira . It is a cleric-driven phenomenon and is undeniably on the increase in the Maldives. The Koran, the "authentic" Hadith, and the records of Muhammad's treatment of and attitude toward women in the Sira contain the texts that are in many ways responsible for the continuing mistreatment of women in many parts of the Islamic world.
    Islamic reformers speak of how the "radicals" have hijacked and distorted Islam. Warfare against unbelievers is not a distortion of Islam, but the belief of the Islamic mainstream. This is repeatedly affirmed in the Koran, Hadith, example of Muhammad, and rulings of every major school of Islamic jurisprudence.
    For Muslims to coexist peacefully as equals and tolerant pluralists with non-Muslims they should confront, not deny, this obvious fact, and find ideas for a rejection of literalism in the Islamic world.
    Many thanks for your insightful comments.

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  18. Anonymous5:51 AM

    Vain: Thank you for your apology, I accept it. I'm rather fond of my Arabic name and wouldn't change it for the world. I have a soft spot for certain aspects of the culture of my country of birth and breeding.

    Anonymous: It doesn't when you take it out of context like that does it? :P

    Ismail Rashid: Yes I agree with the basic principle that you've stated (that we need to stop making things sacred and unassailable) but wouldn't it be more productive and less reprehensible to actually feature the shortcomings of religion in general instead of attacking one religion solely on your blog? From what I've seen its mostly a mix of nationalism, cliquey-ness and xenophobia that just utilizes religious texts to legitimate the kind of dangerous idealism you've described. In my opinion, war-mongering, male chauvinism and other social ills are a product of a much wider range of ingrained social values and shouldn't be just attributed to religion. Hope you still think I'm being insightful :D.

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  19. Anonymous11:53 AM

    okay.. this might be a historical moment...

    IRG, i'm ready for a truce if u guys stop posting incorrect propaganda about islam in this blog.

    u wanna be a christians, fine. be christians. just don't insult islam.

    don't forget that the VainRooney blog was created as a retaliation to ur provoking articles.

    ok ppl, u can't say i'm against peace :-)

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  20. Muruthadhdhu12:23 PM

    No Vainrooney, it won't be a historical moment. A Muslim leaving Islam and, in particular, becoming a Christian IS very much an insult to Islam according Muslim thinking. It is your sacred duty to murder any apostate who repeatedly refuses to return to Islam. I am afraid you cannot live with that burden of both collective responsibility (fard kifayah) and individual responsibility (fard ayeniyyah) to murder apostates. The only reason why you won't discharge that Mahomedan obligation is because you cannot find us.

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  21. its always the Unbelievers to kick away the chance of peace, as u have just proved.

    suit yourselves.

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  22. See Hamza. See who wants to keep fighting? The muslim or the unbeliever?

    The muslim offered peace. The unbeliever gave lame reasons not to have a truce.

    :-)

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  23. n hey Muruthadhdhu,

    i didnt ask u to return to Islam. ur very much mistaken. :-)

    i only offered to stop insulting eachother's religion.

    byez

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  24. Anonymous7:15 PM

    Rooney, you the man. You brought down arabiguitar once and you can do it again. Dont go for a truce. Write to MVblogs and the MTA like you before and maybe this time they will act.
    These infidels must be taught a lesson they will never forget.

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  25. Anonymous12:00 AM

    dude, i do not need MTA (whats the hells that BTW?) or MVBlogs to act. I'm doing just fine on my own... (along with my new teammates)

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  26. Anonymous1:11 AM

    dude, i meant the TAM. Write to them again.
    And ..there is new athiest blog todisbelief.blogspot.com

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  27. Anonymous3:26 AM

    sorry dude, not interested in athiests.

    Write to TAM again? Whats that supposed to mean? I never wrote to a TAM.

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  28. Amathullah2:29 PM

    Assalaam Alaikum wa Rahmathullah Vainrooney. I appreciate your effort to teach these missionaries a lesson. I have just seen this blogg which is an extremist missionary Christian site. I will be glad if you will kindly report this blog to the authorities. Please bring them down how you breing down arebi gitar. Christian site. Jazakillah Khair

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  29. Anonymous6:06 PM

    hey where's ismail rasheed?

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  30. Husain7:43 AM

    Insha Allah, meybe Ismail Rasheed has given up. I think you will have to do something about that site Amathullah told. Insha Allah, with your connections Vainrooney you will be able to defeat that site too. Please tell the authorities to tell thas site not to use Dhivehi. It is our national Islamic language and the goverment can order them not to use it. They can use goverment to goverment connections to delete that site from the internet. Go Vainrooney you can do it for Islam. Allah Taala knows best.

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  31. Amathullah12:45 PM

    Assalaam Alaikum Vainrooney and Shunan. I am concerned about this growth of Christianity in Maldives. You guys are good at stopping this type of nonsense. Please Please do something about this danger. Today I have seen Amazon Books selling Dhivehi Bible. Isn't that illegal? Don't they know that our 100% Muslim country owns Dhivehi? Please complain to the authorities about this and get government to government help to ban this sale. We can send a ship from Maldives Coast Guard against Amazon Books. Amazon Books is even claimimg there is a Bible Society of Maldives. Who runs it? is that IRG? Please Vainrooney and Shunan help us stop this. Jazakumullah Khair. Wassalaam!

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  32. Anonymous3:30 PM

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  33. Anonymous12:43 AM

    Nass..you brought down arabiguitar once and you can do it again.

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  34. Amathullah8:16 AM

    Assalaam Alaikum everyone. I am very disappointed that Nass and Shunan have got cold feet about bringing down Arabi Guitar and all the missionary sites and Amazon Books for selling Dhivehi Bible. Please ask the authorities to send a Coast Guard ship against these sites. We need to remain a 100% Muslim country. Wassalam.

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  35. "Nass..you brought down arabiguitar once and you can do it again."

    thanx for the compliment :p

    man.. my fan base must be getting bigger!

    hahahahahahhahahha

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  36. Husna7:55 AM

    Vainrooney, I don't think it was so much of a compliment as an echo of what you were boasting to have done yourself! Anyway what's happening with Seedhaa Hithun and Amazon Books? They are still up there and seemingly going strong. Aren't you going to do anything about having them de-listed/ banned/ obliterated/ kaput etc? Or is that where your authority or guts come to an end?

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  37. Anonymous1:26 PM

    hee hee hee...

    ismail rasheed...

    i have nothing against SidaHitun or Amazon Books for coming up with a dhivehi bible... i mean if the english version is corrupt, how much can u expect from the Dhivehi one?

    to be honest I cant wait to see it.. i think Maldivian ppl will understand the corruption even more if the verses are in thaana, dont u think so? :-)

    so right now, u gotta dhivehi bible? have a guts to give me a copy? yeah? yeah? oh yeah?

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  38. Anonymous1:26 PM

    *have THE guts

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  39. Husna3:18 PM

    "if the english version is corrupt..." Your words, not mine! You can get it the same way as I did. Buy it from Amazon Books! If you are too stingy to fork out the dough then click here and here. That didn't take too much of guts did it? Do you have the intestines to click on those links?

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  40. cool! thanx ismail.

    n BTW, ya, I dont hav the dough to buy a bible. I'm not on the Pope's payroll like u.

    gospel of luke... only one? where are the others????

    n ya, i clicked. hahahahaha

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  41. and whats the big deal with "if the english version is corrupt..." ??

    it is a fact!

    or u want me to rub them on ur face?

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  42. Rooney,
    please refrain from responding to anonymous and other comments as if they are mine. You are most welcome to visit and comment but please try to keep your paranoia and hysteria under control when you visit our blog.

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  43. i suggest u do the same when u visit mine!

    its kinda similar to what u used to do isnt it?

    remember those times u used to comment using my name on other people's blogs?

    atleast i'm decent enuff not to do that, ain't i?

    now what? ur getting too emotional about it...

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  44. Husna6:35 PM

    Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles..... Were you too scared to click on BOTH the links? The others are in the pipeline. For an organization that has been around only a few years, the Maldivian Bible Society has done better at translating the Bible than Muslims have done translating the Quran. Didn't it take 900 years to translate it and 30 years to print? By the way, the Pope's Euros are never fake unlike MRF 500 notes that we are paid by the government here.

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  45. 3:77
    Verily, those who purchase a small gain at the cost of Allah's Covenant and their oaths, they shall have no portion in the Hereafter. Neither will Allah speak to them, nor look at them on the Day of Resurrection, nor will He purify them, and they shall have a painful torment...

    I leave you all in peace...

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