Saturday, February 03, 2007

M.I.B guard girl students (Those who dress like Pakis... part II )

Men In Buruga are guarding the girl students of Jamia Hafsa who have refused to vacate a children’s public library until the government enforces Sharia law in Pakistan.

"Some of the burqa-clad people occupying a children’s public library here are actually men and not women", a student of the Jamia Hafsa seminary said on Thursday. Students of the girls seminary have taken over the library to protest at the demolition of a mosque built on encroached state land. The girl student said on condition of anonymity that burqa-clad male students not only guard the library, but also roam freely in the Jamia Hafsa compound, and the girl students resented this. “When we told the male students to leave the compound and not to trespass, they paid no heed, saying that they were there for our safety and protection,” she said. nni"


“We want Sharia or we are ready to embrace martyrdom,” representatives of the ‘Students Action Committee’ told reporters here on Thursday.

With thanks to
Daily Times

55 comments:

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  2. A few people's actions don't reflect on the whole religion.

    BTW, nice to see a new layout. There's some fresh look to the blog now.

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  3. As for the dress code in Islam says...

    33:59
    O prophet! tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies. That will be BETTER, that they should be KNOWN (as free respectable women) so as NOT to be ANNOYED. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


    1. the person must be KNOWN
    2. it is to stop any molestation

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  4. Mohodhey was jealous of the young male cousins of Aisha visiting her. That was why he forced his wives and his women followers to wear that outrageous burqa. He was just a filthy old jealous pedophile. Dumb women followers are following this order like zombies since then. Others are forced by their jealous menfolk. I say liberate our women from the curse of the burqa.

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  5. Brainwashed People!

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  6. men with real b#@*ls must stand up and stop these men with fake b%#*@ls from spreading this buruga disease. Women with brains must oppose this stupid stuff. Otherwise we will end up with a gender apartheid society.

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  7. what a bloody racist bastard!

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  8. Mr. Nass,
    I used the word Paki... as short form for Pakistani. I think it is quite common to shorten long words. Sri Lankan as Lankan, S'porean for Singaporeans, Bangaalhi for Bangladeshi.etc., No racial connotation was intended nor do I believe applies in my posting.
    A large part of the Pakistani population especially those whose dress styles and lifestyles the Maldivians are copying do suffer from a host of social and humanitarian problems like discriminaion of women, female genital mutilation, honor killings etc. That was the direction of my post.

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  9. Husna6:18 AM

    Yes, and Brit for British, Aussie for Australian and so on. I think Nass feels that the call against gender Apartheid in the form of buruga is racist. If so, why is that so, Nass?

    "Pakistan" comes from "Pak-e-istan" which means "home of the pure". The Indian Muslim Congress chose this name for their apartheid homeland specifically as an insult to what remained of India after the partition. The implication was that India without West Punjab, Sind, East Bengal, Baluchistan and the North West Frontier Agency was the "Na-Pak-e-istan" or the "home of the impure". So if anything is racist it is the name "Pakistan" that is. Pakistan remains the most outrageously gross and unsucessful states created in the wake of World War II.

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  10. they sound more like ninjas!

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  11. Ismail,
    I was addressing Abul...Barbarian in that comment, not u.

    Nothing wrong with Paki. So cool down.

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  12. Mohamed bin Abdulla3:51 PM

    Vainrooney wrote: "A few people's actions don't reflect on the whole religion". We must remember that sometimes they do, especially when the actions are those of Mohodhey and his companions. Mohodhey pillaged entire communities just because they did not believe him. He killed all the men of those communities and sold all the women and children into slavery. He kept the prettiest of them for himself and raped some of them the same day their husbands, fathers and brothers were killed. So yes, these actions reflect on the whole religion and those who follow it.

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  13. "Mohodhey pillaged entire communities just because they did not believe him. He killed all the men of those communities and sold all the women and children into slavery."

    Do u have any proof of this?

    And how to u explain the killings in Palastine, Iraq n Afghanistan? I guess they are OK? N we have proof of those things.

    But u dont have any proof of any of the things u just accused about.

    And the way u addressed the Prophet, it shows how biased u are.

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  14. Mohamed bin Abdulla12:40 AM

    Yes both you and I have proof of that. Just read the official biography (Seerah) of Mohodhey. If you want to read most of it summarized in three web pages with further references, you may click here

    "And how to u explain the killings in Palastine, Iraq n Afghanistan?" What exactly does they have to do with what Mohodhey did 1400 year ago? - other than the fact that most of these killings are committed by those who follow Mohodhey in the name of Islam. Two wrongs don't suddenly produce a right. So whatever proof you may have for that is totally and utterly irrelevant to justify what Mohodhey did 1400 years ago.

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  15. Mohamed bin Abdulla7:30 AM

    PS: Vainroony, if you are thinking of writing a rebuttal to Dr Sina's prologue, don't worry, many did. Click here to read the most recent rebuttal and Dr. Sina's demolition of it. I look forward to reading your reply to Dr. Sina.

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  16. Rooney,
    happy to know that you think Paki is o.k. And my answer wa a calm response.
    I could not find anything racist in the Barbarians comments. Care to explain?

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  17. You wouldn't find a racist comment even if u bumped into one.

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  18. Ismail,
    My comment is about gender issues.

    Rooney,
    You owe me an explanation for calling me a bloody racist bastard.

    Shunan, I like to know what a ninja sound like. Tell me.

    Mohamed bin Abdulla, the killing in Iraq is between Sunni and Shia. You are right. It is about what happened 1400 years ago.

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  19. Mohamed bin Abdulla11:43 AM

    Rooney, So so quiet... why? Have you and Shunan got the lock-jaw strain of Chikan-gumbaa?

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  20. u can say "Rooney n Shunan, I miss u guys" in a better way than that!

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  22. abul barbarian,

    d'u really need an explanation?

    here's what u sed while addressing muslim women:

    "men with real b#@*ls must stand up and stop these men with fake b%#*@ls from spreading this buruga disease. Women with brains must oppose this stupid stuff. Otherwise we will end up with a gender apartheid society."

    1) u spoke of ppl who wear buruga as if they were a plague or a disease.

    2) Saying that women who wear burugaa have no brains.

    3) It's not only ur community. It's their community as well. So u don't have the right to say anythin like that.

    4) Plus, it's a human right to wear what they want. Freedom of culture.

    5) Islamic dress code was imposed on us by our religion. We have the right of practicing whatever religion we want. So by calling a practice of our religion as "stupid" n opposing that means ur tryin to take away that right. N u have no right to do that.

    There u go. Five reasons. Hope u r satisfied

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  23. Mohamed bin Abdulla2:04 PM

    Rooney,

    You still haven't explained why Abulbarakaath the Barbarian deserved being called a "racist". Those who wear the buruga do not belong to a specific race as such. He was referring to Maldivian Muslims who now wear the buruga. I presume that Abulbarakaath the Barbarian himself is a Maldivian albeit not a Muslim. As almost all Maldivians belong to the same race one would normally imagine, as it were, that he cannot be racist towards his own race.

    A race or ethnicity is based primarily on genetics with some cultural aspects such as a common language. You are claiming that Muslims belong to the same race by virtue of religion. This is not correct for two reasons. Firstly it is possible, although risky to one's life, to leave Islam while it is impossible to leave one's genes. Secondly Islam is not a religion. It is a fascist killing cult that deprives its followers their basic human right to leave the cult. Islam seeks to impose itself on the world by converting, subjugating to subhuman status or killing non-Muslims. Such a cult does not have any rights in a civil world. What you are saying is like a Nazi insisting on exercising his right to kill oponents.

    Abulbarakaath the Barbarian is quite right when he calls Maldivian buruga women stupid. Who in her right mind would "choose" to wear that garment in a climate where the temperature averages at 30C and the humidity averages at 90% when it is not even part of our national cultural heritage? One has to be absolutely daft to be wrapped so like a brainless mummy!

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  24. Whatever explanation he needed to give, he has given. Deal with it.

    And grow up.

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  25. Anonymous3:43 PM

    nass,

    i love you.

    yours,
    The Allah (famous arab god)

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  26. Anonymous3:45 PM

    hey everyone,

    vainrooney is actually an addu girl called Nasra (nass). she can be seen commenting on all maldivian blogs. the only country she has been to is malaysia and she thinks it's heaven because many buruga women can be seen there. what a fool and a moron this silly maldivian nasra is.

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  29. well who cares about who i am???? I haven't broken any law. hehe

    n BTW, this is not YOUR own blogosphere, nor is it owned by ur big daddy Benedict. So stop running ur mouth around cos I'll post comments wherever I please.

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  30. Mohamed bin Abdulla: if few peoples actions reflect the religion why did the Christians kills Jesus! I guess that justifies to kill all Christians one by one ha?

    In his book, "Islam: Impressions and Studies," Count de Castri says, "After the Arabs yielded to, and believed in the Quran, and people received enlightenment through the True Religion, the Moslems appeared with a new show to the peoples of the earth, with conciliation and treatment on basis of free thinking and belief. The Quranic verses then succeeded one another, calling on kind treatment, after those verses in which warnings had been addressed to the heretic tribes... Such were the instructions of the Apostle after the Arabs had embraced Islam, and the Caliphs who succeeded Mohammed followed his example. This makes me say with Robertson that the people of Mohammed were the only ones who combined kindness to others and the pleasure of seeing their Faith spread. It was this affection that pushed the Arabs on the way of conquest. The Quran spread its wings behind its victorious troops that invaded Syria and moved on like a thunderbolt to North Africa, from the Red Sea to the Atlantic, without leaving a trace of tyranny on the way, except what is inescapable in every war, and never did they massacre a nation who rejected Islam..."

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  31. Mohamed bin Abdulla9:04 AM

    I would like to make three points:

    Firstly, those who killed Jesus were not Christians. The Jewish priestly heirarchy in Jerusalem determined that Jesus blasphmed. They did not have the authority to execute anyone and so they complained to the Roman civil authorities. The Roman governor Pontius Pilate was going to dismiss the complaint as a silly argument amongst Jews. He reluctantly acted when it was pointed out that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus would discipline him for not acting against someone (Jesus) who claimed to be "King of the Jews". The execution was ordered by Pilate and carried out by Roman guards. In case you are unaware it was about 300 years before any significant number of Romans embraced Christianity. At the time of Jesus' crucifixion not a single Roman was a Christian. In fact the Christian Church came into being 53 days after Jesus' crucifixion on the day of Pentecost. So technically speaking, when Jesus was crucified there was not a single Christian.

    Secondly you are right when you say that a few people's actions ought not to reflect on a whole religion. However when it so happens that the author (Mohodhey) of a killing cult happens to be the perpetrator of these actions, it would necessarily reflect on the whole killing cult and those who follow it.

    Thirdly let me ask you if you want me to be impressed when you quote from someone whose name appears to be that of a European feudal aristocrat? I am impressed only by sound arguments. If your European count says something stupid then my only conclusion is that he is stupid.

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  32. It looks like this is how u think:

    1) if a european says sumthing against islam, he is cool

    2) if a european agrees with something islam says, then he is stupid

    3) if a muslim says sumthing against the cool ppl, then he is stupid

    4) if a muslis agrees with something islam says, then he is stupid

    Such a way of thinking can be said to as (in the terminology of ppl like u) baised, irrational, unlogical, unscientific.

    dont u think so?

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  33. Mohamed bin Abdulla: First, as per the Gospels, Jesus (pbuh) had no disagreement with Rome and did not violate any Roman law. And yet he was crucified by the Romans in accordance with Roman law, and with a means exclusively reserved for those guilty of crimes against the empire...

    Before putting up the cross, the Romans fastened a sign to the upright above his head and wrote on it the specifications of his crime. It read: THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS...

    So the only religion back then was Jewish, Christianity was made up later on as even you say the Christian Church came into being 53 days after Jesus crucification!

    They have been fooled by the Jews as you are being fooled by now...

    Second, all claimed by Ali Sina on Mohammed (pbuh) have no solid proof! At times of war, killing is a necessity and all civilization have done it... As God says in the Quran Al-Fitnah is worse than killing... All those who create Fitnah is subject to be killed in order to have a peaceful world... And that is understandable by all and practices even in our this so called civilized times... As all the verses sited in the site you provided were on instruction on how to defend at times war... After having attained a certain level of scientific and cultural progress, western countries still tend at present to solve their problems by way of war, "Desert Storm". Hence, on the human level, one cannot see why Islam should have disallowed war fourteen centuries ago, while it intended to bring about general development, both on the religious and social scene.

    Third, it is not to impress you... I have many books where the western unbiased authors have talked about Mohammed (pbuh) with praised... How can that many be stupid?

    Fourth, show me your claim and proof one by one and I shall do my best to enlighten you...

    In his book "Civilization of the Arabs," Dr. Gustav LeBon says, "The reader will find, in my treatment of the Arabs' conquests and the reason of their victories, that force was never a factor in the spread of the Quranic teachings, and that the Arabs left those they had subdued free to exercise their religious beliefs. If it happened that some Christian peoples embraced Islam and adopted Arabic as their language, it was mainly due to the various kinds of justice on the part of the Arab victors, with the like of which the non-Moslems were not acquainted. It was also due to the tolerance and leniency of Islam, which was unknown to the other religions."

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  34. He further explains, "The mercy and tolerance of the conquerors were among the reasons for the spread of their conquests and for the nations' adoptions of their Faith and regulations and language, which becamse deeply rooted, resisted all sorts of attack and remained even after the disappearance of the Arabs' control on the world stage, though historians deny the fact. Egypt is the most evident proof of this. It adopted what the Arabs had brought over, and reserved it. Conquerors before the Arabs -- the Persians, Greeks and Byzantines -- could not overthrow the ancient Pharaoh civilization and impose what they had brought instead."


    Here is the logic if you want...

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  35. Mohamed bin Abdulla2:43 PM

    Yusuf Abdulla Shunan, at first you said that Christians killed Jesus. Then you proceeded to agree with me that it was the Romans who executed him for reasons that I stated. Is there any other rapid change of mind in store there? Or were you just testing me?

    No one disputes that the religion of the Jews of the time, as it is now, was Judaism. The religion of the Romans of the time was the Roman state religion. No Christian disputes that the Christian Church came into being on Pentecost, 50 days after Jesus' resurrection. You seem to think you are scoring a major point against Christians by repeating these facts. It was an ignorant myth invented by Mohodhey that Jesus received a revelation called Injeel from Allah (God forbid!) via Gabriel and that Christianity was set up by Jesus in the same way as Islam was concocted by Mohodhey. You obviously believe in this myth and assume that it is the Christian belief as well. That is why you say that "Christianity was made up later on" as if you are busting a major scandal. You have not busted any scandal, so there is no need to be so condescending and triumphal. That the Christian Church came into being 50 days after the resurrection is part and parcel of Christian dogma.

    If you feel that Ali Sina's assertions have no proof, don't be afraid! Confront him and display the gall to say that to him, rather than to me. Obviously you are too scared to be skinned alive in true Sina form.

    Vainrooney, irrespective of nationality or creed, if someone says something stupid, I always recognise it to be stupid. As usual, you missed the point. Your friend Yusuf also misses the point and continues to copy and paste huge chunks of text from stupid non-Muslim writers.

    Why do you Muslims always need us kuffar to reassure you that your killing cult is a religion? Perhaps you will tell me next that George W. Bush sent you a Ramadan greeting and use that as proof.

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  36. Well Romans are the present day Christians! Maybe they are in the same faith as before or not, which I can't say and is irrelevant! Don't try to mislead and turn the topic around, the point is you all sis or allowed that killing of Jesus (pbuh) and now you are trying to blame someone else for it! Be brave enough to admit the truth, it is alright to say that you can't or were too coward to even defended Jesus (pbuh)...

    In reality you dispute about that fact of revelation to Jesus too!
    The Hebrew phrase ἀποκάλυψις ᾿Ιησοῦ Χριστοῦ (ajpokaluyi" Ihsou Cristou, “the revelation of Jesus Christ”) could be interpreted as either an objective genitive (“the revelation about Jesus Christ”), subjective genitive (“the revelation from Jesus Christ”), or both (M. Zerwick’s “general” genitive [Biblical Greek, §§36-39]; D. B. Wallace’s “plenary” genitive [ExSyn 119-21]). In 1:1 and 22:16 it is clear that Jesus has sent his angel to proclaim the message to John; thus the message is from Christ, and this would be a subjective genitive. On a broader scale, though, the revelation is about Christ, so this would be an objective genitive. One important point to note is that the phrase under consideration is best regarded as the title of the book and therefore refers to the whole of the work in all its aspects. This fact favors considering this as a plenary genitive.

    Hmm...

    I have no intension of confronting Ali Sina right now! But if need be, I will not be afraid, I will gladly do that... I am patient and have plenty of time right now...

    To learn history we have to refer to the books of the historians and base on their research... I can't reinvent the wheel and to do it would be foolish... It was not my intension to show you the text of your so called 'kuffar', I never said that, you SAID that! All I wanted was an unbiased view of Islamic History!

    As for Gustave Le Bon was a French social psychologist, sociologist, and amateur physicist. He was the author of several works in which he expounded theories of national traits, racial superiority, herd behavior and crowd psychology. You can find more on him in wikipedia and Gustave Le Bon's works

    How about this fact... Both Christians, Muslims, Jews and Others when they review Islam in an unbiased view have found it as the best religion on the planet earth right now... But Christianity contradict one another, with all your books... So let me tell what historians find out when they compared Arab conquerers against the Crusaders!

    Dr. LeBon adds in his book, "The early Arab conquests might have blurred their common sense and made them commit the sorts of oppression which conquerors usually commit, and thus ill-treat the subdued and compel them to embrace the Faith they wanted to spread all over the globe. Had they done so, all nations, which were still not under their control, might have turned against them, and they might have suffered what had befallen the Crusaders in their conquest of Syria lately. However, the early Caliphs, who enjoyed a rare ingenuity which was unavailable to the propagandists of new faiths, realized that laws and religion cannot be imposed by force. Hence they were remarkably kind in the way they treated the peoples of Syria, Egypt, Spain and every other country they subdued, leaving them to practice their laws and regulations and beliefs and imposing only a small Jizya in return for their protection and keeping peace among them. In truth, nations have never known merciful and tolerant conquerors like the Arabs."

    Now you may say, I am not into history, then why are you bothered with Muhammed's history (pbuh)?

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  37. Mohamed bin Abdulla5:00 AM

    Yusuf Abdulla Shuan. After your most idiotic statement so far "Well Romans are the present day Christians! Maybe they are in the same faith as before ..." I feel the time has come for me to rest my case. To pursue this exchange with you any further would be an insult to intelligence. You may still be attempting to justify your earlier statement that it was Christians who executed Jesus. You attempt to distort undisputed historical facts and use material written in other baseless works to justify that your killing cult Islam deserves to be called a religion. Islam began as a figment of the imagination of a psychopathic pedophile which became a dangerous fascist movement in the lifetime of its narcissistic architect. It remains so to this day. Mankind will not be safe until your Islam is wiped off the face of the earth in the same way as other such ideologies as Nazism and Communism.

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  38. Anonymous10:18 AM

    Why else do they call them ROMAN CATHOLICS? why not ITALIAN or GREEK CATHOLICS?

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  39. Anonymous1:27 PM

    Weirdos... all of you

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  40. Mohamed bin Abdulla: I leave in peace with the following verses

    2:140
    Say "Dispute you with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Lord? And we are to be rewarded for our deeds and you for your deeds. And we are sincere to Him. Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob and Al-Asbat (the offspring of the twelve sons o Yaqub) were Jews or Christians?" Say, "Do you know better or does Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."

    3:199
    And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scriptures, those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward with their Lord. Surely, Allah is Swift in account.

    4:18
    And the Jews and the Christians say "We are the children of Allah and His loved ones." Say "Why then does He punish you for your sins?" nay, you are but human beings of those He has created, he forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heaven and the earth and all that is between them, and to Him is the return.

    5:72
    Surely, they have disbelieved who say "Allah is th Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)" But th Messiah said "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners with Allah, them Allah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his adobe. And for the Zalimun there are no helpers.
    Surely, disbelievers are those who said "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)," But there is no Ilah but One Ilah. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them.

    5:82
    Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikun, and you will find in love to the believers those who say "We are Christians" That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
    And when they listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognized. They say "Our Lord! we believe, so write us down among the witnesses."

    9:30
    And the Jews say : 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved afore time. Allah's Curse be on them, how thy are deluded away from the truth!'

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  41. Mohamed bin Abdulla1:03 PM

    Yusuf Abdulla Shunan. Let me cap it off thus:

    I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.

    I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
    He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
    He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
    He descended to the dead.
    On the third day he rose again.
    He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
    He will come again to judge the living and the dead.

    I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.


    The LORD bless you
    and keep you;
    the LORD make His face
    shine upon you
    and be gracious to you;
    the LORD turn
    His face toward you
    and give you peace.

    In Nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen

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  42. If you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord, why did he die?

    A god who can die! Wow!

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  43. I believe in...
    2:115-117
    And to Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn there is the Face of Allah. Surely, Allah is All Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All Knowing
    And they say: Allah has begotten a son. Glory is to Him. Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience to Him.
    The Originator of the heavens and the earth, he only says t it : "Be!" and it is.

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  44. nass:
    4:157
    And because of their saying "We killed Messiah Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah" - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. Fore surely; they killed him no...

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  45. The advice!
    4:171-172
    O people of the Scripture! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) was a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah, glory is to Him above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

    The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave of Allah, nor the angels who are the near. And whosoever reject His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself...

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  46. i was just being sarcastic there ;-) but wasn't that a valid question for them?

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  47. Mohamed bin Abdulla4:28 PM

    Nass, when you ask "If you believe Jesus Christ is your Lord, why did he die?....A god who can die!Wow!" you blaspheme bigtime. Of course the Omnipotent God can die should He choose to. He chose to die and rise from the dead. If you believe this to be impossible you do not believe in God's omnipotence. Therefore you have blasphemed and are now a kaafaru.

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  48. Mohamed bin Abdulla4:31 PM

    Yusuf Abdulla Shunan,

    Are you from the Taliban's cut and paste division?

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  49. Anonymous8:56 PM

    pal, u sed "God can die should He choose to."... hahahahahahahhaha u nuts?

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  50. Anonymous5:26 AM

    to shunan:

    004.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

    Al-Qur'an, 004.157 (An-Nisa [Women])

    'but the resemblance of Isa (Jesus) was put over another man' - this part is actually not in the Quran, its just the translators note

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  51. Mohamed bin Abdulla: Yeah I do cut and paste, so? But I never mentioned Taliban, you said that! You can safely IGNORE me in the credit list ;)

    anonymous:
    don't lie! the translation/interpretation of the end portion of the verse 4.157 reads: "wa lakin shubbiha lahum"

    wa means: And, also, but, whilst.
    lakin means; But, still, nevertheless.
    shubbiha means; To be made like; A likeness or similitude.
    This could refer to: A likeness or similitude of Jesus, or of Killing or of Crucifixion or of both Killing & Crucifixion.
    lahum means; Was made for them.

    Below are the other English translations by Muslims and non Muslim scholars for comparison:

    1. Translation by Allama Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
    "But they killed him not, nor crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them."

    2. Translation by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall:
    "...They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them;"

    3. Translation by Professor Arthur J. Arberry:
    "...yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them."

    for an enlightment on this subject refer to Dis Jesus Ascent? A Quran'ic View

    Adios...

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